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		<title>By: Public Speaking Tips [2009-11-07]</title>
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		<dc:creator>Public Speaking Tips [2009-11-07]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 06:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Martin Shovel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Shovel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Livia,

Many thanks for your comment. Nothing beats a contribution from the horse&#039;s mouth – so to speak! I&#039;ve bookmarked your blog, and started following you on Twitter – hope you&#039;re tempted to reciprocate.

Cheers,
Martin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Livia,</p>
<p>Many thanks for your comment. Nothing beats a contribution from the horse&#8217;s mouth – so to speak! I&#8217;ve bookmarked your blog, and started following you on Twitter – hope you&#8217;re tempted to reciprocate.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Martin</p>
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		<title>By: Livia Blackburne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Livia Blackburne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes!  I am am a neuroscientist who blogs about Neuroscience and Creative writing.  By far my most popular posts are the ones that &lt;a href=&quot;http://liviablackburne.blogspot.com/2009/10/narrative-and-brain.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; relate brain imaging data to reading &lt;/a&gt;.  I find that my biggest challenge with these posts is to make sure my readers don&#039;t take away more from it than the data justifies.  Yes, brain activations are interesting and informative, but there is nothing magical about them, and just because a writing technique makes a brain light up some way doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s necesarily better.  Brain imaging is simply one more source of information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes!  I am am a neuroscientist who blogs about Neuroscience and Creative writing.  By far my most popular posts are the ones that <a href="http://liviablackburne.blogspot.com/2009/10/narrative-and-brain.html" rel="nofollow"> relate brain imaging data to reading </a>.  I find that my biggest challenge with these posts is to make sure my readers don&#8217;t take away more from it than the data justifies.  Yes, brain activations are interesting and informative, but there is nothing magical about them, and just because a writing technique makes a brain light up some way doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s necesarily better.  Brain imaging is simply one more source of information.</p>
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		<title>By: ian wooler</title>
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		<dc:creator>ian wooler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and here it is...http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/scientific-explanation/</description>
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		<title>By: ian wooler</title>
		<link>http://www.creativityworks.net/the-dangers-of-scientific-explanation/comment-page-1/#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>ian wooler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought provoking post.  Words, meaning and understanding are important. This is what Stanford has to say on scientific explanation and theory</description>
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		<title>By: Simon Bostock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Bostock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marion,

Interesting you mention the 5 stages of grief. Now that you mention it, that one is a bit suspect... ;)

Imagine you were a scientist who had studied grief. And that you had come to the conclusion that the 5 stages were a load of nonsense. And that you had a friend who was grieving. And that friend told you how much the 5 stages were helping them come to terms with the &#039;process&#039;.

What would you say to your friend? Hopefully, nothing. There&#039;s a time and a place for everything.

I&#039;m like Martin, suspicious of certification. And because of this, I&#039;m susceptible to the &#039;Learning Styles Don&#039;t Exist&#039; meme. I&#039;m predisposed to antipathy towards an &#039;apartheid of the senses&#039;.

But throwing out Learning Styles doesn&#039;t mean throwing out all the benefits they have brought (and they have brought benefits). Differentiation is a crucial concept in teaching groups. Learning Styles&#039; debunking doesn&#039;t change this. Tickling the senses hasn&#039;t stopped being effective. Visual thinking and the benefits of physical movement haven&#039;t stopped being valid.

Learning Styles are dead. Long live, erm, my personal style of learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marion,</p>
<p>Interesting you mention the 5 stages of grief. Now that you mention it, that one is a bit suspect&#8230; <img src='http://www.creativityworks.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Imagine you were a scientist who had studied grief. And that you had come to the conclusion that the 5 stages were a load of nonsense. And that you had a friend who was grieving. And that friend told you how much the 5 stages were helping them come to terms with the &#8216;process&#8217;.</p>
<p>What would you say to your friend? Hopefully, nothing. There&#8217;s a time and a place for everything.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m like Martin, suspicious of certification. And because of this, I&#8217;m susceptible to the &#8216;Learning Styles Don&#8217;t Exist&#8217; meme. I&#8217;m predisposed to antipathy towards an &#8216;apartheid of the senses&#8217;.</p>
<p>But throwing out Learning Styles doesn&#8217;t mean throwing out all the benefits they have brought (and they have brought benefits). Differentiation is a crucial concept in teaching groups. Learning Styles&#8217; debunking doesn&#8217;t change this. Tickling the senses hasn&#8217;t stopped being effective. Visual thinking and the benefits of physical movement haven&#8217;t stopped being valid.</p>
<p>Learning Styles are dead. Long live, erm, my personal style of learning.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Shovel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Shovel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marion,

Thanks again for yet another thoughtful and profound response. Your comment is also a fine example of how a personal story – i.e. yours – can bring a potentially dry and abstract theoretical discussion to life.

Personally, I have always resisted the pressure to join the certification arms race, but I accept that a stance like mine becomes increasingly difficult when your competitors are continually building their &#039;credibility&#039; through the acquisition of  dubious qualifications – e.g. you can become a master practitioner of some disciplines in less than a week!

By comparison, the road to scientific knowledge and enlightenment is long and arduous – and many of us don&#039;t have what it takes to embark on the journey in the first place.

Finally, just when you thought things couldn&#039;t get any worse, I have to tell you there is a darkside to the idea of learning styles too. I plan to write a blog about it soon, but put simply it&#039;s this: learning styles encourage a kind of apartheid of the senses. She&#039;s a visual learner, he&#039;s auditory etc. This is destructive because it ignores the fact that our senses are connected with each other to a greater or lesser degree – in other words, we are all synaesthetes. But more on this later…

Cheers,
Martin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marion,</p>
<p>Thanks again for yet another thoughtful and profound response. Your comment is also a fine example of how a personal story – i.e. yours – can bring a potentially dry and abstract theoretical discussion to life.</p>
<p>Personally, I have always resisted the pressure to join the certification arms race, but I accept that a stance like mine becomes increasingly difficult when your competitors are continually building their &#8216;credibility&#8217; through the acquisition of  dubious qualifications – e.g. you can become a master practitioner of some disciplines in less than a week!</p>
<p>By comparison, the road to scientific knowledge and enlightenment is long and arduous – and many of us don&#8217;t have what it takes to embark on the journey in the first place.</p>
<p>Finally, just when you thought things couldn&#8217;t get any worse, I have to tell you there is a darkside to the idea of learning styles too. I plan to write a blog about it soon, but put simply it&#8217;s this: learning styles encourage a kind of apartheid of the senses. She&#8217;s a visual learner, he&#8217;s auditory etc. This is destructive because it ignores the fact that our senses are connected with each other to a greater or lesser degree – in other words, we are all synaesthetes. But more on this later…</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Martin</p>
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		<title>By: Marion Chapsal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marion Chapsal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It took me several days and a lot of extra reading and fulminating before I could write this comment.
The reason is that exasperating video &quot;Learning Styles don&#039;t exist&quot;, which came violently to me as a punch in the plexus.
So here, I&#039;m not debating the very wise idea that we should be cautious when co-opting scientific evidence.
I personally have always been very sceptic of all the wide range of personality tests, preferences measurements, inventory tests, &quot;profiling&quot; models.
I have been trained, though, and certified (at my own expense most of the time!),
in a wide variety of these tests. (I could list them if it were not boring to hear a list of initials MBTI- TMS- SPM-HBDI-LSI etc...and the worst of all, the &quot;root of all evils NLP...)
As an executive coach and trainer, I found that clients (HR directors, Training Managers, CEOs etc..) were most happy when we could put their staff into &quot;boxes&quot;. I hate boxes.
They were (and are still) craving for these nice looking glossy individual reports.
And most of them are quite sound and insightful. They are an excellent start for a deeper discussion and personal analysis.
But they hold the potential danger of over simplifying and categorizing, worse, stereotyping.
To tell you that I don&#039;t consider myself a naive believer and an enthusiastic so-opter of scientific explanation.
I come from a family of scientists, psychiatrists, biologists, biochemistry researchers, who taught me to be very cautious before jumping to any conclusion, and respectful of debate and controversy.
But I am not a scientist. I was trained in a Drama school, studied International Business and languages.
Then went into the &quot;full monty&quot; of personal development sacred Graal (should write a BOOK about it and all the nonsense and crap, and charlatans, but also superb gems I found on my journey). But that&#039;s another story.
So, why am I so passionately reacting about learning styles?
Am I trying to justify what I invested so many years and money to learn and to teach? Holding on to what I chose to believe and made me happy? Gullible, naive, liking &quot;truthy explanations&quot;?
Probably!
I found some elements of answer in Simon Bostock &#039;s article, at Bunchberry &amp; Fern
blog.Here http://www.bfchirpy.com/

&quot;Fable-ous but sometimes tragic
Learning Styles are too good to be true. But too truthy to be ignored. Learning Styles have a teachable narrative. Learning Styles are Fable-ous. At least, my version of them is.

But when they&#039;re institutionalised it&#039;s a tragedy. Learning Styles don&#039;t exist but that doesn&#039;t stop them being a part of many practitioners&#039; training, which is fine, and the way their performance is assessed, which is decidedly not.&quot;
Learning styles, the way I integrated them, at my own very personal learning &quot;sauce&quot;, are indeed Fable-ous.
They are very attractive and hold a promise of an ideal world where you could offer each child or adult learner his most appropriate intellectual nourishment.
&quot;Sur-mesure learning!&quot; (opposed to fast food learning)
Learning à la Carte!
Slow learning for Gourmet...
Isn&#039;t it a dream for learners?
Now I understand it can become a NIGHTMARE for teachers, if it&#039;s institutionalized, like it seems to be in the UK and in the US.
It&#039;s absolutely not the case in France, and my reaction comes more from a personal  desire to offer a maximum of choices in the examples I provide, in the methods I use, in the way I present the content, in the activities I engage my participants into, in the improvisation moments I create, in the playing and story telling.
So, I found myself going through the 5 stages of grief. (If that is also STILL valuable and not another myth, who knows, now?) http://www.memorialhospital.org/library/general/stress-THE-3.html

1. Denial and Isolation. (Sulked and didn&#039;t speak or write about it several days)
2. Anger.(Boiling, speaking to myself, fulminating, laughing sarcastically...)
3. Bargaining. ( I think I&#039;m still into bargaining!!!)
4. Depression. (yes, I feel sad about it. Intellectually cheated. Betrayed)
5. Acceptance. (Another step towards maturity and wisdom)
Watching Professor  Daniel T Willingham repeating calmly and softly learning styles don&#039;t exist, without offering anything else in substitution, is indeed depressing (and exasperating!!!)
I&#039;d love to see another video, with someone holding prestigious recognized highest degrees in neuro science, cognitive psychology, encouraging teachers to develop their creativity and giving them some clues in how to become better teachers.
May be Sir Ken Robinson actually is doing that? (he&#039;s no neuro-scientist, but no charlatan either :-)
His TED presentation was an international success, among non academic audience. It gives hope and faith in leaning.
And he does it with compassion and humour (which are NOT, I must confess, the qualities Prof Willingham is demonstrating in his video)

Bon, voilà, it was a long comment. I certainly will write a post about it, and most probably will again change my mind and refine my thinking thanks to other comments and posts like this one, Martin. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It took me several days and a lot of extra reading and fulminating before I could write this comment.<br />
The reason is that exasperating video &#8220;Learning Styles don&#8217;t exist&#8221;, which came violently to me as a punch in the plexus.<br />
So here, I&#8217;m not debating the very wise idea that we should be cautious when co-opting scientific evidence.<br />
I personally have always been very sceptic of all the wide range of personality tests, preferences measurements, inventory tests, &#8220;profiling&#8221; models.<br />
I have been trained, though, and certified (at my own expense most of the time!),<br />
in a wide variety of these tests. (I could list them if it were not boring to hear a list of initials MBTI- TMS- SPM-HBDI-LSI etc&#8230;and the worst of all, the &#8220;root of all evils NLP&#8230;)<br />
As an executive coach and trainer, I found that clients (HR directors, Training Managers, CEOs etc..) were most happy when we could put their staff into &#8220;boxes&#8221;. I hate boxes.<br />
They were (and are still) craving for these nice looking glossy individual reports.<br />
And most of them are quite sound and insightful. They are an excellent start for a deeper discussion and personal analysis.<br />
But they hold the potential danger of over simplifying and categorizing, worse, stereotyping.<br />
To tell you that I don&#8217;t consider myself a naive believer and an enthusiastic so-opter of scientific explanation.<br />
I come from a family of scientists, psychiatrists, biologists, biochemistry researchers, who taught me to be very cautious before jumping to any conclusion, and respectful of debate and controversy.<br />
But I am not a scientist. I was trained in a Drama school, studied International Business and languages.<br />
Then went into the &#8220;full monty&#8221; of personal development sacred Graal (should write a BOOK about it and all the nonsense and crap, and charlatans, but also superb gems I found on my journey). But that&#8217;s another story.<br />
So, why am I so passionately reacting about learning styles?<br />
Am I trying to justify what I invested so many years and money to learn and to teach? Holding on to what I chose to believe and made me happy? Gullible, naive, liking &#8220;truthy explanations&#8221;?<br />
Probably!<br />
I found some elements of answer in Simon Bostock &#8217;s article, at Bunchberry &amp; Fern<br />
blog.Here <a href="http://www.bfchirpy.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bfchirpy.com/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Fable-ous but sometimes tragic<br />
Learning Styles are too good to be true. But too truthy to be ignored. Learning Styles have a teachable narrative. Learning Styles are Fable-ous. At least, my version of them is.</p>
<p>But when they&#8217;re institutionalised it&#8217;s a tragedy. Learning Styles don&#8217;t exist but that doesn&#8217;t stop them being a part of many practitioners&#8217; training, which is fine, and the way their performance is assessed, which is decidedly not.&#8221;<br />
Learning styles, the way I integrated them, at my own very personal learning &#8220;sauce&#8221;, are indeed Fable-ous.<br />
They are very attractive and hold a promise of an ideal world where you could offer each child or adult learner his most appropriate intellectual nourishment.<br />
&#8220;Sur-mesure learning!&#8221; (opposed to fast food learning)<br />
Learning à la Carte!<br />
Slow learning for Gourmet&#8230;<br />
Isn&#8217;t it a dream for learners?<br />
Now I understand it can become a NIGHTMARE for teachers, if it&#8217;s institutionalized, like it seems to be in the UK and in the US.<br />
It&#8217;s absolutely not the case in France, and my reaction comes more from a personal  desire to offer a maximum of choices in the examples I provide, in the methods I use, in the way I present the content, in the activities I engage my participants into, in the improvisation moments I create, in the playing and story telling.<br />
So, I found myself going through the 5 stages of grief. (If that is also STILL valuable and not another myth, who knows, now?) <a href="http://www.memorialhospital.org/library/general/stress-THE-3.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.memorialhospital.org/library/general/stress-THE-3.html</a></p>
<p>1. Denial and Isolation. (Sulked and didn&#8217;t speak or write about it several days)<br />
2. Anger.(Boiling, speaking to myself, fulminating, laughing sarcastically&#8230;)<br />
3. Bargaining. ( I think I&#8217;m still into bargaining!!!)<br />
4. Depression. (yes, I feel sad about it. Intellectually cheated. Betrayed)<br />
5. Acceptance. (Another step towards maturity and wisdom)<br />
Watching Professor  Daniel T Willingham repeating calmly and softly learning styles don&#8217;t exist, without offering anything else in substitution, is indeed depressing (and exasperating!!!)<br />
I&#8217;d love to see another video, with someone holding prestigious recognized highest degrees in neuro science, cognitive psychology, encouraging teachers to develop their creativity and giving them some clues in how to become better teachers.<br />
May be Sir Ken Robinson actually is doing that? (he&#8217;s no neuro-scientist, but no charlatan either <img src='http://www.creativityworks.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
His TED presentation was an international success, among non academic audience. It gives hope and faith in leaning.<br />
And he does it with compassion and humour (which are NOT, I must confess, the qualities Prof Willingham is demonstrating in his video)</p>
<p>Bon, voilà, it was a long comment. I certainly will write a post about it, and most probably will again change my mind and refine my thinking thanks to other comments and posts like this one, Martin. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Martyn Ford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martyn Ford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enjoyed your post, Martin. It reminded me how  TV advertising in the 60s was open season for &#039;scientific endorsement&#039;. Do you remember all those earnest-looking men in lab coats and horn-rimmed specs telling us that Nothings Acts Faster than Anadin, that Horlicks Beats Night Starvation and even &#039;Smoke Craven A - for your throat&#039;s sake&#039;!
Let&#039;s not rehabilitate them by saying &quot;Research shows...&quot; if we&#039;ve never read the research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoyed your post, Martin. It reminded me how  TV advertising in the 60s was open season for &#8217;scientific endorsement&#8217;. Do you remember all those earnest-looking men in lab coats and horn-rimmed specs telling us that Nothings Acts Faster than Anadin, that Horlicks Beats Night Starvation and even &#8216;Smoke Craven A &#8211; for your throat&#8217;s sake&#8217;!<br />
Let&#8217;s not rehabilitate them by saying &#8220;Research shows&#8230;&#8221; if we&#8217;ve never read the research.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Dhuyvetter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Dhuyvetter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article.
As I often say, 85.7% of statistics are made up on the spot :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article.<br />
As I often say, 85.7% of statistics are made up on the spot <img src='http://www.creativityworks.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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